Like this?
I really don’t think this would fit in the game, and this is completely different from iframes. Imagine everyone rolling into marble colossus while he’s doing the survival phase. Like literally, imagine a priest rolling. WTF?
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS!
At this point I’m convinced people are deliberately ignoring suggestions of tiny iframes so they can push their strawman. For everyone who still doesn’t get it, at 100ms you’d take damage 10 times a second even if you were abusing them as much as possible. That’s more rapidly than standing in the Queen Bee’s 100AP shots. It would not allow facetanking, but it would protect from being hit by 30 shots in an instant.
How does that work when you get hit simultaneously by several different shots at once? For example if I eat an entire Bes shotgun, which shot is considered to have triggered the grace period?
How does that work when you get hit simultaneously by projectiles from several different enemies at once? Does only one shot count and if yes which one? or is it one shot per enemy?
How is this not exploitable by people with a lag switch? Since after lag the resync between your client and the server makes shots stack, people would just make themselves lag on purpose to stack a bunch of shots and easily tank them all, since with your idea that’d be the same as taking only one shot to the face.
If you get rid of shotguns then you’re making long-term regen even better. That’s just how that works.
Never been a problem for other MMOs or bullet hells.
I’m just trying to make you understand that putting a bandaid on a wooden leg isn’t going to help.
By itself having enemies that can kill you instantly if you fuck up isn’t a bad thing, if anything it adds to the challenge. It’s only a problem when dying is extremely punishing.
The very first shot that hits you gives you post-invulnerability for enough time to make it so that the other shots that are stacked won’t affect you at all. I don’t know how the technicalities of it work (if there were two shots hitting you on the exact same frame, etc…) but I know it’s a thing that normal video games have and it works really well. I’m pretty sure they use a fail-safe where if the damage you are taking is happening from more than one place at a time it would only default to one.
It is not exploitable; this isn’t a server sided mechanic.
It adds to the challenge, I agree. But, as I said before, most people who played this game instantly stopped playing it after they realized how bad it was. Adding a vital element to this style of game play is necessary if DECA wants to keep players it attracts.
Maybe the challenge thing could be a button to toggle before you make your character? A no immunity frames button to make it like old realm. That could make it fun for people who want a challenge.
What do you mean, “normal video games”? There are a ton of games where you don’t get a grace period after getting hit, for example most FPS.
Not having any technical knowledge is a problem because we don’t know if anything you say is doable. For all we know it’s not technically feasible for a MMO with thousands of players to implement micro-grace periods every time a character gets hit.
Anything that’s not server-sided is by definition easier to exploit. If you don’t make i-frames server-sided then you’ll have people making modified clients with permanent invincibility.
I don’t understand why RotMG doesn’t have a client checker to verify the files before launching.
So it was overall a more forgiving game in terms of instapops, but lots of flying brain style chip attacks? Oh, and pets changed the core mechanic by letting people tank chipattacks, and only be killed with instapops
let me try walking you through this in a different way that will hopefully make the issue of stacked shots more clear to you and why introducing an iframe grace period won’t help with simultaneous shots:
time passes on a tick-based system, every time we hit a tick we re-evaluate what’s happening in the “present” and make adjustments accordingly. so in the scenario of getting hit normally, the projectile moves across the screen and asks if its touching something every time we pass a new tick. on the tick when it finally does make contact with your character, the game calculates how much your HP should go down based on your DEF and the projectile’s damage, and makes changes to your HP to match. the key point here is that this change does not happen on the same tick that the projectile hits you. that tick that you got hit on has already happened, we can’t go back in time to previous ticks so any changes we make happen on the next tick.
now consider 30 shots all making contact with your character on the same tick, with an iframe system that should make you invulnerable briefly after getting hit. in that tick, all 30 shots will pass the “am I hitting something” test, so the game applies the corresponding damage for all 30 shots. now whichever one happens to get chosen to be added first will trigger the iframe system, but because this tick has already happened we won’t get those iframes until we get to the next tick. meanwhile in this snapshot in time the player racks up major damage from all those shots at once because they haven’t turned on their iframes yet. when we finally get to the next tick after all those shots have hit, your iframes have activated and you’re temporarily invulnerable, but you’re also dead because your HP is now -400. iframes won’t save you from stacked shots.
in fact, you don’t even have to take my word for this. this has actually happened already using the alien armor effect. going invulnerable doesn’t take effect until we reach the next tick because we can’t change things that have already happened, and going invulnerable won’t stop you from dying if you’re already dead.
I don’t know, I think that if they give iframes AS WELL AS check if another shot is already hitting you and negating them all so it’s only 1, that it will work. Games like Two Worlds Two and Terraria also work on a tick-based system, but iframes still work properly, unlike that example you provided. You had some really solid points though. That’s honestly just a programmer issue, if anything.
Kinda late, but I moved this to #ideas since it seems this is now more of a discussion on the implementation of invincibility frames rather than a problem with lag causing the issue shown in the original post.
During a nest event at some point or another a halls eo gifed this and posted it in event status anouncements.
So yes, it is from a different recording
@DivineOryx @Orsome @RMGnoob @Unicorn @Hemming @Twitchystr @BeeMoth @Kalitaio @Mynamerr hey @Thropy updated the op incase you didn’t know
._. Just fucking nexus if you’re in a situation like that. Or jut turn off your wifi for an instant dc
What’s the point of pinging everyone when this changes nothing to what was previously said?
