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#484

Your your kidding me right?


#485

No. That’s easily the most stupid thing I’ve heard of.

Are you homeless?
Have you ever seen a fat homeless person?

Why would you think universal healthcare is unachievable if canada can do it?


#487

I think he means it as a figure of speech :wink:
Also sorry if I am taking what y’all are saying out of context.

@CandyShi @YesButNo


#488

Well mine was a metaphor for: “Source of information” :wink:.


#489

Highly questionable. While there do exist cases that demonstrate heroism on the part of a “responsible” gun owner, people tend to hunker down and not do anything that exposes them to danger. It seems to be 50-50 practically.

Yes. Most certainly. I don’t think anyone really disagrees with this.

Yeah, about that, it really doesn’t. We don’t know how to file our taxes, how to do loans, and that kind of shit upon graduation. You may graduate as an adult, but you don’t learn the stuff you need to do as an adult- instead, you’re taking AP Physics C: E&M.

I’m not dissing AP Physics or any high level course, by the way. Just saying that you can take some extremely niche things but NOT be able to take a general necessities course.

Oh god, this mess? Listen. You want to create more vectors for potential school shootings? Go ahead and be my guest Wait, I go to school in the US. A hard NO on that one. Even if teachers were 100% stable and were able to wield their guns, there’e no accounting for that crazy kid that steals a gun and goes on a killing spree.

Uh, I have NEVER seen a fat homeless person. Welfare will be looked down upon while you don’t need it, but you’ll cry if someone pulls welfare when you need it.

Is it really? Well, let’s check. According to https://qz.com/1022831/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-universal-health-care/; the US spends about $9451/person in healthcare; as compared to Canada’s $4601. I don’t know about you, and I sure as hell ain’t an expert in healthcare, but to me this indicates some sort of inefficiency of sorts.

Going on a different track: Let us do some other math shenanigans.

Medicaid has 74.8 million users (https://www.statista.com/statistics/245347/total-medicaid-enrollment-since-1966/), and the government spent 629.3 billion dollars on Medicaid (https://www.statista.com/statistics/245348/total-medicaid-expenditure-since-1966/). Dividing it out, we get that on average, the US spends 8413 dollars and 10 cents per person. That’s pretty similar to the number mentioned from above, ESPECIALLY considering that this is medicaid ONLY.

Again, not the most godly analysis of our healthcare system with respect to others, but it seems the Canada spends less on their healthcare and gets more out of it. However, we must keep in mind that Canada has roughly 10% of the US population (~36 million to the US’s 328 million) so we must adjust with that in mind.

Again, welfare dollars given by the government should ONLY be able to be used for absolute necessities- food, water, and sanitation supplies. <---- That list isn’t all encompassing, but yeah, I dont know everything I use to live. I’m retarded.

Yes. This is, without a doubt, one of the stupidest wastes of taxpayer dollars I have seen.

I really have no hope in our government- You’ve got Parkland, you’ve got the recent one at Gilroy, you’ve got the Vegas shooter, and shit like that. We need to apply the gun laws we have much more broadly and stringently, stopping megalomaniac fucks like the parkland shooter from getting AR-15’s (somehow, that fuck got his gun LEGALLY.) That private sale loophole? Man, that is a fucking MESS.

That stupid shit about 10 round magazines being “high capacity” and silencers being regulated to high hell? Focus that energy on preventing crazy fucks from getting guns in the first place, thank you very much.

Well, the primary argument that the “UHC is unachievable” folks seem to use is that the US is much larger than any other country with universal healthcare, which seems (for the most part) to be true.

The PRC is planning on coverage for >600 million people.
Yeah, the quality of said healthcare is unknown. Thus, this comparison is sketchy at best and shitty at worst.

Chinese healthcare

Since the founding of the People’s Republic of China, the goal of health care programs has been to provide care to every member of the population and to make maximum use of limited health-care personnel, equipment, and financial resources.[ citation needed ]

China is undertaking a reform on its health care system, which was largely privatized in the 1990s. The New Rural Co-operative Medical Care System (NRCMCS), is a new 2005 initiative to overhaul the healthcare system, particularly intended to make it more affordable for the rural poor. Under the NRCMCS, the annual cost of medical coverage is 50 yuan (US$7) per person. Of that, 20 yuan is paid in by the central government, 20 yuan by the provincial government and a contribution of 10 yuan is made by the patient. As of September 2007, around 80% of the whole rural population of China had signed up (about 685 million people). The system is tiered, depending on the location. If patients go to a small hospital or clinic in their local town, the scheme covers from 70–80% of their bill. If they go to a county one, the percentage of the cost being covered falls to about 60%. And if they need specialist help in a large modern city hospital, they have to bear most of the cost themselves, the scheme would cover about 30% of the bill.[75]

On January 21, 2009, the Chinese government announced it would provide 850 billion yuan (US$127.5 billion) between 2009 and 2011 to improve the existing health care system.[76]

At the end of 2008, the government published its reform plan clarifying government’s responsibility by saying that it would play a dominant role in providing public health and basic medical service. It declared “Both central and local governments should increase health funding. The percentage of government’s input in total health expenditure should be increased gradually so that the financial burden of individuals can be reduced,” The plan listed public health, rural areas, city community health services and basic medical insurance as four key areas for government investment. It also promised to tighten government control over medical fees in public hospitals and to set up a “basic medicine system” to quell public complaints of rising drug costs.[77]

The plan was passed by the Chinese Cabinet in January 2009. The long-awaited medical reform plan promised to spend 850 billion yuan by 2011 to provide universal medical service and that measures would be taken to provide basic medical security to all Chinese.

Doesn’t change the fact that China is a despotic,cruel, repressive and, tyrannical government tho


#490

Trust me, the only thing I respect about the Chinese government is their healthcare system.

A hospital stay with a full-blown neurosurgery for a brain tumor only costs like 60,000 yuan from the patient (unless I misheard 600000 as 60,000)
That’s less than 10k US dollars, when I’m pretty sure the hospital stay alone in the US would cost 10k. Our healthcare system sucks ass.

Brain tumor, not cancer. Cancer wouldn’t be treated with surgery lol


#491

most of our major stuff sucks :<

schooling isn’t exactly that good in most places in America (at least public schools), and some areas are worse off than others.

overall stability of large cities isn’t that good, poor areas have crime problems that are exacerbated by crime culture, and specifically L.A has a homeless problem that the city really likes to ignore. obviously large cities like san Francisco and New York aren’t gonna be 90% crime free, but it’s worse than it should be.

our economy is decent, but overrun with corporate monopolies, which you can’t do much about.

like you’ve said, our healthcare system is doo-doo.

social media is eh, but it devolves into weirdo trash when politics gets involved (Wink Wink).

infrastructure has always been flawed.


#492

The only thing we’re good at is spending money on our military, but we’ve sucked ass at using it.

Edit: although to be fair I think that’s a good thing lol

(Why do I hear trees speaking Vietnamese?)

I mean not everyone here is American :^)

I’d ping some Canadians, but I feel like pinging people to drag them into this mess is r0Od; they have to come of their own volition.


#493

Apik muricen polithiccs

wait, this isn’t the meme thread…


#494

Lol


#495

Jeez that was a slugfest

This was LITERALLY like that scene in Revenge of the Sith where those two ships broadside each other and wreck each other- except with more parties.


#496

cuz it has less people than california


#497

creepy biden ecks dee

well as an alternative to arming teachers i guess we could post a couple armed school resource officers at every school (mine has one already)


#498

More than half a million firearms are stolen each year in the United States and more than half of stolen firearms are handguns, many of which are subsequently sold illegally.2

Philip J. Cook & James A. Leitzel, “Smart” Guns: A Technological Fix for Regulating the Secondary Market 7, Terry Sanford Institute of Public Policy, Duke University, Working Paper Series SAN01-10 (July 2001).

dunno if that site is trustworthy or not tho


#499

yes, I noted that in my reply- Canada has 36.8 million people, the US 328 million. We don’t know whether the Canadian system can scale up to cover nearly 9x people


#500

cough and illegal immigrants cough

wait what


#501

w u h


#502

Well, strictly speaking, there are 11 million undocumented immigrants with 4 million extra “anchor babies” here. THat’s 15 million people, and if the math goes right, that’s 1.35*10^11 dollars we spend on these people. That seems like a lot, but that’s actually 135 billion we spend on these illegal immigrants. Of course, this is assuming that the US actually spends $9000 for each and every of these 15 million immigrants.


#503

yeah but illegal immigrants are poor and poor people are more inclined to crime (think oakland, detroit) so more crime rip


#504

On the other hand, you could just make it so that you’d have to be a US citizen to get universal healthcare