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[LukeyxD]

You could, but only at a low level. Having only one character doesn’t help you get very far in the game, it is boring and if you die you don’t have anything left to rebuild.

It’s still free to play, however shitty it may be.

I find it stupid too, but it’s a thing in the current situation so I cannot exclude it. If I excluded from my vision of the world anything I found stupid, my vision of the actual world would be flawed. Same goes with this.

I didn’t completely exclude it I just said they were a work around, a thing that we don’t know will be in the game forever but this is a moot point so I’ll drop it.

That’s not the definition of pay2win. A game is pay2win when you can get end-game content without playing it, but only with the use of real money. Here, you can make it a tiny bit easier to get this content, but you can’t just buy whites and pots from the dungeons.

I’d have to disagree increasing the amount of dungeons you can run in a session by paying real money is pay to win. These pay for a chance type things are still pay to win even though you aren’t directly paying for an item, and I think that’s where we agree to disagree here.

You do. If you buy a key then run it, you need to get damage on the boss in order to have a chance at getting any loot. That’s what we call sb damage : without a certain quantity of damage dealt to the boss, it won’t drop anything for you. Of course you can just open and wait for people to kill everything, but you won’t get any item from the dungeon. The key will then be effectively wasted for you.

For the other people, of course they’ll profit of it, but as for you they’ll need to get sb damage, so they’ll need to play the game and put themselves in danger in order to have a chance at getting loot.

This is after the fact that you bought and used a key. When you buy and open a key you have already purchased the
opportunity whatever happens past this point isn’t of much importance.

I’m trying to reply quickly here so if there’s any fucked up english I apologize.

[Endertimes]

It’s still free to play, however shitty it may be.

Nobody will play a shitty game, but you’re right if we consider the pure definition of free to play.

I’d have to disagree increasing the amount of dungeons you can run in a session by paying real money is pay to win. These pay for a chance type things are still pay to win even though you aren’t directly paying for an item, and I think that’s where we agree to disagree here.

The keys indeed allow you to have a faster rate at getting items… In theory. Practically the game is so luck-based that such an increase will only be theorical. In other words, you will only increase by a little your chances of getting the loot you want. Thus, the game isn’t unbalanced, as the difference between paying players and non-playing ones is too small for it to count.

This is after the fact that you bought and used a key. When you buy and open a key you have already purchased the
opportunity whatever happens past this point isn’t of much importance.

That’s where you’re wrong, because you won’t get anything from opening a key. Absolutly nothing. The only thing you get is the ability to play the dungeon. If you open the key then don’t run the dungeon, or don’t attack the boss, or anything like that, then this key was wasted for you. What happens after you buy the key matters, because buying it will give you nothing in itself.

[LukeyxD]

The keys indeed allow you to have a faster rate at getting items… In theory. Practically the game is so luck-based that such an increase will only be theorical. In other words, you will only increase by a little your chances of getting the loot you want. Thus, the game isn’t unbalanced, as the difference between paying players and non-playing ones is too small for it to count.

If you run more dungeons you will have more chance at getting the drop from that dungeon.

That’s where you’re wrong, because you won’t get anything from opening a key. Absolutly nothing. The only thing you get is the ability to play the dungeon. If you open the key then don’t run the dungeon, or don’t attack the boss, or anything like that, then this key was wasted for you. What happens after you buy the key matters, because buying it will give you nothing in itself.

It gives you the opportunity to get items at a faster rate than other non paying players, if the same person who could complete 1/5 tombs gets tombs at double the rate he is still getting items quicker than if he were getting tombs at the regular rate.

[Endertimes]

If you run more dungeons you will have more chance at getting the drop from that dungeon.

Yes. However, the increase in chance isn’t big enough to destroy the game’s balance between regular dungeon hunting and key usage. If they don’t cause that, then they’re not pay to win.

It gives you the opportunity to get items at a faster rate than other non paying players, if the same person who could complete 1/5 tombs gets tombs at double the rate he is still getting items quicker than if he were getting tombs at the regular rate.

That’s just what I answered above. What I was disagreeing to here is the fact that you were saying buying keys was the same as buying items, because no skill was needed to get items from dungeons you openned. I was saying about this that you do need skill to get the items. A player that cannot run a tomb will get nothing, and that will be the same thing if that tomb was natural or openned by him.

[LukeyxD]

I didn’t say they were the same thing I was arguing that it was pay to win. It is however less pay to win than directly buying the item.

[LquidMerc]

@Endertimes
@LukeyxD
Maybe move to pms? Like half of this topic is you guys arguing over p2w vs p2p

[LukeyxD]

Last reply was an hour ago fam, no need to moderate things that aren’t happening.

[LquidMerc]

Oh

I should really fucking look at dates .-.

[Rooi]

What is your IGN in Idle Heroes?

[Shatter]

Shatter.

Currently lvl 98 with 8 star vesa and 6 star mirage

Rest 5 star

[Endertimes]

Maybe move to pms? Like half of this topic is you guys arguing over p2w vs p2p

True. But I’ll stop arguing. Since we don’t have the same definition of “pay to win” it’s a pointless argument.

[AnakinSolo]

What happens in the video? I can’t get by the thumbnail.

[Shatter]

Watch mojo considers realm to have the 20th worst p2w model

[AnakinSolo]

Oh thanks. I keep trying to hit play but I can’t for some reason.

[TROLLDLLR]

I consider Watch Mojo’s thinking to be the 20th worst.

[Endertimes]

Watch mojo considers realm to have the 20th worst p2w model

It’s actually a top 10, but the idea is here.

[Modddder]

They are considering the game completely p2w and they didn’t mention pets… the only p2w thing.

You do realise what p2w means? It means that there is something that helps u that is completly blocked to free to play players… Which pets arent. You can get max legendary pet without spending any money, which is already op enough (or even max divine first ability, which someone did). Only p2w thing now are the loot drops, which u can either buy or do mystery boxes (dailys as well, but u dont get that many from dailys, except this month).

[MagicHorsi]

This is dumb sometimes you can’t talk about games unless your a long time player another example would be tf2. A great shooter but it takes loads of time to really understand how everything works. So I hope people understand that just because you played a game for five minutes doesn’t mean your qualified to talk about like your a long time fan.

[Fev]

You do realise what p2w means? It means that there is something that helps u that is completly blocked to free to play players…

Only p2w thing now are the loot drops, which u can either buy or do mystery boxes (dailys as well, but u dont get that many from dailys, except this month).

You just contradicted yourself.

I have lots of loot drops and have never bought any. I don’t consider loot drops p2w.

[Shatter]

I consider pets p2w. Have fun getting that maxed divine.

@Endertimes the title has “another” in it, so its closer to a 20 - 11