There’s the worrying possibility that the Helmet Rune might be reverted to dropping only from Lost Halls, which would be betraying the playerbase indirectly as they promised more than once it was meant to finally have the most endgame dungeon be reasonably accessible without discord, which is clearly not the case if it requires Lost Halls, my proposal is, if it turns out to be the case this positive change was a mistake, anyone who also dislikes this let deca know about this as loudly as reasonably possible in hopes they change it.
According to a DECA member, this new rune droptable, more fair to players disliking discord steamroll groups, might be wrong/changed
Xaklor
#2
you and backpedal have been banging on this point for a very long time, and I feel it’s worth repeating that the inevitability that O3 will be run via discords exclusively or nearly exclusively was and always has been a decision entirely outside of deca’s control. all 3 runes could drop from the pirate cave and it would still probably end up being heavily discord-reliant because that’s just how the playerbase plays the game these days. I don’t see how anything demanded of deca to correct this path can ever accomplish what you want.
What do you guys think about Discords servers? ( Poll )
Megayeah
#3
Untrue, the 2 biggest reasons for Halls being ran discord only are length and requiring vial and DPS
to do Void, Sanctuary has no high length or DPS walls, might as well eliminate the item requirement, Fungal Cavern is ran without discords.
Half the playerbase also voted for In-Combat and lower dungeon caps, so that holds even less truth.
They would also be lying to us if they do this, blatant, shameless lie.
GammaGamer
#4
Adding on to Xak’s post on how a few players speaking up about this issue would have absolutely no affect, I don’t think jumping to conclusions this quickly is very considerate. Just because it is revealed that the original drop list is inaccurate, it does not necessarily mean that specifically the Helmet Rune will only be available in the Lost Halls.
DPS walls are not the only reason item requirements exist. Something like the Cultist’s Hideout has none of it, and yet following the requirements is still mandatory. The reasons they exist is to ensure quick runs that do not drag for long times just because a large portion of the players brings low-tiered gear.
Please reconsider this answer. Every endgame dungeon nowadays is mostly done over Discord.
Megayeah
#5
You completely misunderstood that sentence tho, what i meant is that Void also requires vial which is just unfair to players from realms.
I never said it’s not ran by Discord, but it can be reasonably done from realms.
GammaGamer
#6
At the end of the day, organized parties are indeed far more efficient at endgame content than random get-togethers in a Realm. There is nothing that can stop this, and this holds true for games outside of RotMG as well.
But on the contrary, the Helmet Rune drops from Realm bosses, O1, and O2. Can this potentially be changed because the drop announcement was incorrect? Yeah, of course. But we still don’t know where the mistake is. Maybe the Thicket and Nest were switched. Thus, I don’t see a point in bringing it up this early.
The Lost Sentry is an event that can only spawn once per Realm. The Dwarf Miner is also an event that can only spawn once per Realm. They are approximately on the same difficulty level. Is there a reason Fungals can be done more easily through Realms?
EDIT: Going back, I can see Fungals could be considered easier than the Lost Halls. That was my mistake. The point that still stands is that Discord usage for RotMG players is so big that the slight efficiency increase in Realm Fungals is just negligible.
Megayeah
#7
I suppose we will have to wait to see, i agree, don’t ger me wrong, and also yes, discords are absolutely more efficient but a large minority hates the boredom of it all and this minority cannot be ignored when it would be extremely easy and COMPLETELY costless for them to make O3 atleasf able to be reasonably accessed, just accessed, without discords, regardless of what you think about them
Xaklor
#8
actually, the biggest reason LH is done via discord is the same reason as everything else: loot payout and efficiency. LH can also “reasonably” be done from realms at this point as long as everyone is actually willing to attempt it since knowledge of how to beat it is so prevalent. they don’t attempt it though, because discord is infinitely more efficient.
O3 won’t be any exception, the alien event showed us that tying things to the realm won’t stop discords from organizing and calling out nearly-cleared realms, producing very nearly the same effect as simply popping keys all day.
correction: half the poll participants on the rotmg discord (at least I assume as much) voted for it. that does not include everyone on the rotmg discord, and the rotmg discord does not include every player in the game. you need to think more critically about your data if you plan on bringing it up so much.
even if I were to agree with you that it is deca’s fault and that the rune will be made LH exclusive and that deca is capable of addressing this issue, I still would not be bothered very much by calling the entire thing a shameless facade because “shameless facade” is what we’ve been putting up with for a very long time now and it really isn’t anything new. just look at the mystery box shop and everything’s gold price. STory of war 1-3 also comes to mind. I don’t feel like much else needs to be said about that.
Novachiz
#9
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Megayeah
#10
It’s evident quite a few people often disagree with you on realmeye too and realms are far from empty on active servers despite the almost nonexistent reqs at this point and far superiority of discords in efficiency, what more do you want? It seems kind of a truism to just keep ignoring the idea that maybe a significant amount of people just don’t like discord runs
Just being unfair to the design team since they have no say on monetization. DECA is not a homogenous entity and judging by half of the design team’s history before being hired it’s clear they care about the game atleast for a good chunk of them. (Because they were passionate players and didn’t even expect the hire)
(Not defending their monetization, things are far too overpriced and there are clear cases of P2W such as character slots, of course, companies are never passionate about anything)
Xaklor
#11
if I’m ignoring the people who don’t want discord runs, then you’re ignoring the ones who do. if the majority of people genuinely wanted them removed, they wouldn’t still be a thing that is as active as it is. discords exists because for some ghastly reason people still like them. I’m not ignoring the fact that people dislike them because I am one of those very people, and it’s one of the reasons I quit. the majority of people evidently do enjoy this soul-crushing grind-a-thon or else those of us who don’t wouldn’t have to complain this hard to make an impression.
if you intend to bash deca as a whole for making O3 only accessible via LH, I don’t see how bashing deca has a whole for their monetization measures is any less valid. this point of yours would hold more weight to it if you were not doing the very same thing yourself.
Megayeah
#12
Context matters, you’re ignoring it would cost them nothing to please both sides by keeping O3 accessible, enterable, without discord
I’m likely bashing a design choice, not a financial choice, LH was not deliberate as discord wasn’t even a well known thing yet, and they gain nothing from displeasing a large minority when both sides could be pleased, so this choice is just stupid if they make it Halls only even if financially motivated somehow, Lost Halls is still popped nonstip even if not the only source and a large minority evidenced by realms not being near empty despite sucking compared to discords, disagreement on realmeye and the decent split on the main discord
Toastrz
#13
Wanted to step in and clarify that the correct list is as featured in the first part of the recent producer’s letter.
This is also something we’ll be monitoring very closely, both in terms of rates/accessibility and the kinds of parties that are most effectively getting to it. Without getting too deep into the subject of raiding, it’s something we’re determined to ensure does not feel like a requirement. We don’t want people to be under the impression that they have no real chance at an Oryx 3 run (much less a successful one) without that kind of involvement, and we’ll do what it takes post-release if need be to make it that way.
What do you guys think about Discords servers? ( Poll )
Megayeah
#14
Well, i do have a bit more time, the thing is drop rates alone won’t be enough, Lost Halls is practically only done in discords, and done by far larger amounts of people than solos or extremely small groups that can do them from realms, making them also far, far more likely to get a rune.
I straight up don’t see how you could make it remotely accessible to realms without either just changing up the drop location of helmet or making Halls itself realm accessible, which would be a hurdle.
Altho if you’re willing to change it post-release, it’s fine i guess, wish you would do that for more things.
Toastrz
#17
I’m as big of a stickler for thematic consistency as they come, but that’s a slight concession in the interest of what makes the most sense gameplay-wise. It is tied into the descriptions to an extent so that it’s not completely without justification, though.
HorusKane
#19
About your issue with Discord runs, how is this Deca’s fault and how could they combat it?
I don’t believe they can combat it at all, other than by just making all the content even easier than it is, and I’m pretty sure most people would say that’s not a good tradeoff
You don’t need discords to access O3, even if one of the runes is exclusively dropped in LH, people do solo/guild LH all the time, if you can’t solo a cult there’s no way you’re soloing O3, and if you’re trying to do it with a small group that just makes it even easier to get all of the marks required, as that’s more people that could have worked to get them.
O3 is going to be just as Discord dominated as LH is, maybe even more-so as it’s free (you can’t get keys, so those aren’t an issue for starting a run) and it drops even better loot than LH does.
Mynamerr
#20
I still don’t understand why the runes should exist in first place. There is already way to much stuff in this game locked up behind keys.
People don’t like the discords (ok maybe some of them do), they like the speed at which they get loot. If it would be possible to get stuff at approximatly the same rate without discords/ sitting in use nexus, maybe a fifth of the people would use the discords.