Bard stat misconceptions


Everywhere I look, I seem to see the same idea that the “bard is squishier than the archer because they’re a robed class” but I don’t think it’s true. It might’ve been true in the past but it’s not true now at least. So here’s a half-rant/half-guide on the bard.


Looking at the base survival stats compared to an archer, the bard has:
-30 HP +0 DEF +5 VIT +5 SPD
That’s a fairly small change for people to claim that it’s squishier, especially since its DEF is exactly the same at base.

Next we move onto the equipment stats, here’s the survival stats for wc tops.
An Archer holds a quiver and leather armor: +20 HP +17 DEF (20 hp from quiver)
A Bard holds a lute and a robe: +20 HP +17 DEF (20 hp and +4 def from lute)
So, its equipment DEF and HP is exactly the same.

Therefore the DEF stat is exactly the same for Archer and Bard and Huntress.

Beyond that the bard has an ability that gives it extra defense.
At T6 this is +7 DEF for 5 seconds/100 MP, which means that while not buffed you’re as tanky as the archer and with the buff you’re up a whole 7 DEF.

The only survival negative is the -30 HP, but I think the +7 DEF buff and +5 SPD +5 VIT makes up for that.
Not to mention that with a doombow, thousand shot, or leaf bow can take full advantage of the +25% range from the lute and have wand range.


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With wc tops the Bard has roughly 250 less dps than the Archer, and both of them have the same range so this is one of the main downsides to playing the bard.


The bard plays similar to the archer, with the caveat of having a at least -10% dps, and a fundementally different ability.

The bard's ability is more defensive than the other bow classes by buffing the party with extra defense, increasing survival by a bit, and granting each weapon to attack at the next range up:
3.5 Swords -> 4.38
4.75 Katanas ->5.94
5.6 Daggers -> 7
7.04 Bows -> 8.8
8.55 Staves -> 10.69
9 Wands -> 11.25

(not sure if this is in the right category)


I haven’t really seen anyone say that bard is squishy. If anything, my only complaint with bard is that it is impossible to ppe on it because of the lack of att, which means you must get a high damage per shot bow instead of a tiered bow.

Bows still have some range to them and the lute pretty much makes up for the loss in defense compared to leather armors.

Also, bards have access to concertina, which pits their dps much higher against archers and huntresses, and pungi, which makes bard a much more efficient rushing class as well.

I’m pretty sure the only people to complain that bards are squishy are people that take bard at face value, ie noobs that don’t know much about the game.


Bard is so much better than archer its actually not even funny and should never have been a debate


I was mainly responding to the bard class guide (
And choosing a class on the wiki (

Both of them reference that a con to the Bard is that they’re less durable than an archer.

It would probably be a good idea to edit the wiki page, buuuuuut eh.


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It’s not a con, and the wiki pages are correct. They are written by good players, not beginners.

The wiki says:


  • Somewhat low ATT
  • Very fragile without DEF buffs

WITHOUT DEF BUFFS. This is true. There is no misconception here. Bard has less base health and the armor bards wear all provide less def than archers/hunt.

Even if the bard is squishier overall than an archer, it doesn’t matter. None of the bow class take up a tank role anyways.

Also, if you look at the top of the page, it says Note: This page is a work in progress.


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