What's so good about campaign? Why does the game itself (not Deca) benefit from it?

[PIGGIESFAR]

Just because you don’t want to pay for something doesn’t mean no one else wants to pay for it.

[Aurum]

Deca has done some pretty “P2W” stuff before, just remember the elemental packs they had a few months ago, the Unity Campaign certainly isn’t one of them. It is almost entirely cosmetics and things that won’t affect gameplay in any major capacity. The argument of the ST Chests being in the campaign rewards is valid, but you’d be better off rolling mystery boxes then using the ST chests from the reward tiers

[Starwartwo]

I would just like to point out that our resident @Fluffegan has realized he done goofed when he said p2w.

[Fluffegan]

yep
Edit: I also just watched the unity port trailer, and my question has thus been answered. I’m actually looking forward to the new features of RotMG.

[Fluffegan]

Actually the only person that said why the game itself would profit from the campaign

[Orsome]

unity port trailer,

There’s a trailer?

[AKLDragon]

Producer's Letter: Realm Remastered Project and Campaign Details

In addition to being able to talk about what we have been up to, we will actually also be able to show you some footage of where we are at with the Client right now in the Realm Remastered Unity Port - Phase I trailer .

Link is embedded.

[Orsome]

Cool, thanks

[Orsome]

new features of RotMG.

After watching the trailer, the only ‘new feature’ I can see is the fancy camera movements. It does look pretty cool, though, and I’m looking forward to seeing more of these sorts of features too.

[RMGnoob]

The actual porting over to unity is not a long and arduous process as it seems. Many fans of the game have tried their hands at porting the game over, and been relatively successful. I’m not going to pretend to be an expert at the tech stuff related to porting to unity, but according to people much smarter than I, it’s not as monumental a task as it would seem.

What I’ve heard about Unity is that it’s pretty simple to use and there’s a whole catalogue of assets you can just buy right away instead of making them yourself, and as such it’s one of the favored engines for newbie game developers.

That’s not to say it’s garbage or that you can’t make good games with it. Ori and the Blind Forest was made on Unity, as an example. But it’s not some arcane shit that takes years to create anything, especially when we’re talking about porting an already pre-existing game that has always been simplistic by design.

How much money do they actually need?

As I’ve already said in another thread, that’s my biggest gripe with this project: we don’t know how much money they need and we don’t have a breakdown of the exact things they’ll buy with it.

there is nothing that defines a “minor” st from a major one

Kind of off-topic but, yes, there absolutely is: some STs are garbage and have no real function outside of completing the set, while others range from niche usefulness to very powerful.

That being said a budget wouldn’t make much sense in the context of a fundraiser,

This isn’t a fundraiser for a charitable organization, this is a fundraiser for a very specific project. Anyone competent would have defined exactly what needs to be done, what kind of resources they’ll need for it (in terms of new hires, hardware, etc, …) as well as at least a rough timeline of how it should go before starting the project or asking for funding.

And then if they want to give incentives for people to donate more, they can try to define stretch goals.

(side note about RotMG on console: Unity is compatible with every major console on the market, so it’s not like they’d have to rewrite the entire game on a different engine just to get a console port. My guess is the problems would come from negotiating with the companies that own those consoles, discussions on licensing rights, stuff like that).

Read that: I’m underestimating the cost of servers by a lot, just saying.

Isn’t RotMG borrowing server space from Google, not Amazon?

after Unity, people will start dying with things more often, so I think it’s not that bad. For now. We’ll see.

That’s assuming we all get to keep all our stuff on Unity and it’s not a fresh start for everyone.

That’s another thing with this fundraiser: you guys do realize there have been no official guarantees your perks will transfer over to the Unity version (except of course for having your name on the wall of fame), right?

(historically, on a side note, many geniuses and greats of their time were known to be not very nice with words… so I’m not convinced the packaging is that important)

Correlation isn’t causation. Sometimes an asshole isn’t secretly a genius. Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.

[Samcw]

this is a fundraiser for a very specific project

This is a “misconception”. I know they call it a campaign/fundraiser but it’s not like Deca doesn’t have enough money for the project without it. They’re just monetizing our expectation of a future unity client

But it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t support the campaign because the porting will happen no matter what. The money it raises the better client (and server) we can expect.

Isn’t RotMG borrowing server space from Google, not Amazon?

Deca switched to AWS (but I believe the “loading screen” is still handled by Google)

That’s assuming we all get to keep all our stuff on Unity and it’s not a fresh start for everyone.

They confirmed it in the newsletter (read replies). It would be semi-suicidal otherwise anyway…

[HorusKane]

I have some concerns on whether ot not this is true.

It fits in with actual laws too if I remember correctly, anything listed as a donation isn’t taxed and is used directly for the purpose that is advertised.

Examples of this can be seen when they ninja nerfed the drop rates of the Ice tomb event, or when they nerfed the ogmur drop rate in ice caves.

They talked about those, they set them too high and had to reduce them, would you rather they keep them the same and everyone get like 10 ogmurs?

They even went as far as to say they would never implement event whites into drop tables of events, yet they did it anyways because they knew that it would put a large boost on their key sales.

It made for a fun event.

They even went as far as to say they would never implement event whites into drop tables of events

source? I don’t remember them saying it wouldn’t ever happen again.

large boost on their key sales.

Large boost on the player engagement too, maybe they had a point.

The rest of the dungeons that were created were done by the UGC team

They still allowed for a ton of new dungeons to be added, more than Kabam did, and they’re still working on content along with the UGC.

Why do people think having a UGC team makes Deca bad or lazy? they still have to authorize everything and it allows for a much greater amount of content to be produced, it also allows for long time players to haev a say in what happens to the game.

I’d also like to point out that without WS, we would me missing all of the original content of the game, part of what was so charming to players in the first place. Realm of the Mad God isn’t a good game in my opinion, it’s just unique in being a perma death rogue like.

Im not saying other companies are useless or anything Im just stating that in my opinion Deca has been the best for the game so far, WS might have made the game, and yes they’re really important for the game to have existed, but that doesn’t make them better than every other company to own the game.

To say DECA as a company is better than WS is completely absurd.

Notice I use ‘better’ not ‘more important’, although Deca is still quite important as the game would be completely dead by now if they didnt take it over.

also, you ignored this

although I didn’t start back when WS was a thing so I can’t state anything for them

I also have my misgivings about this one too

What misgivings could you have about that? please share. They’ve provided proof that it’s in production and even shown us features that may be added.

Give it a read if you have time and let me know how you would respond to what I said.

there ya go.

Just because you don’t want to pay for something doesn’t mean no one else wants to pay for it.

This, this is it chief.

Everyone always bashes how many skins are created and im just sitting here hoarding them because I love them so much.

I would just like to point out that our resident @Fluffegan has realized he done goofed when he said p2w.

Not gonna scroll through and read stuff before my post, atleast not yet, so thanks for pointing that out.

I also just watched the unity port trailer, and my question has thus been answered. I’m actually looking forward to the new features of RotMG.

I though it was really cool, glad most of your post has been addressed.

After watching the trailer, the only ‘new feature’ I can see is the fancy camera movements. It does look pretty cool, though, and I’m looking forward to seeing more of these sorts of features too.

New menu also, and much of the UI looks a bit different, although the UI might be changed to fit the current one later on the the development.

Also Im thinking they might add dungeon music, them using that remix just kinda gave me that feeling.

But it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t support the campaign because the porting will happen no matter what. The money it raises the better client (and server) we can expect.

Agreed, atleast with this we’ll likely get better servers with the money that is left over (if there is enough for a decent sized increase)

[RMGnoob]

The money it raises the better client (and server) we can expect.

That’s the part I have an issue with: it’s not defined or quantified in any way. I don’t like throwing hundreds of dollars at vague assumptions.

[KalleZX]

Didn’t Deca also do the main parts of the Mountain Temple? I somehow remember it being Silex’s Dungeon.

[Mynamerr]

yup its by silex. source Patch Notes X12 - Spring Cleaning Time!

[SimtsGrami]

hire good programmers to optimize it properly

Yeah… they do need this to port to unity because i bet there are not enough people working on it already…

[Puckinen]

I don’t really care about the unity thing, I just spent to get the cool purple name and fancy grave stones

[ThatsMyJam]

You don’t care that the game will die in 2020 when flash is discontinued?

[Puckinen]

Idk, I could live with that

[Nameness]

But not without the purple name?