Just put bard on flash

#5

Im not going to lie, I did loose my cool when making this thread. Now that I calmed down, I can reply to comments. Ill try my best to respond accordingly…

That is true, but for the time being, we should be accommodating for clients outside of exalt, it will take several months before flash officially discontinues.

Why only test a brand new class on a client that is still not fully functioning properly? It would be way more convenient for players to test the class on more reliable clients.

How often do you play exalt? I rarely play it which means I have to download a new update every time I log in. Do you not get any pop up errors ingame?

Is this a major issue still or have they cleared up the majority of issues? I would test this but I have stuff that I need.

I understand fully but for a brief time, it should be allowed in all clients as exalt seems to have the most issues (ik browser is arguably worst).

#6

We’re actually not sure about this, and I don’t think DECA has addressed when Flash will discontinue. However, I don’t think it would be hard to just add a Bard option on Flash, so I believe that DECA chose not to add it for a reason.

Due to the current global pandemic, I have been frequenting the game quite a bit. About the manual updates required by the launcher, that is a relatively separate concern from what I intend to discuss, and falls more in the general category of Exalt’s issues. I don’t think I’ve updated the game in a few days, but there are surely more to come. Pop-up errors are also common, and there are indeed many players experiencing them. They are usually constant rubberbanding before something like “You have been yeeted by the host” or whatever. This area is something that DECA can definitely improve. On the bright side, throughout my time playing today, I’ve noticed that disconnections were nearly absent. Did DECA completely fix the problem? Probably not. But the situation has definitely improved substantially.

Honestly, I’m not sure. I have uninstalled the launcher before and as far as I know, there was no effect. Just in case something happens, I would recommend backing up your files if possible. Something like this has happened for other games as well – Fallout 76 was one of them.

Going back to @Xelleo’s post of Flash not being supported in the near future, this may be the case. However, it’s also important to remember that Flash is very limited compared to the potential of Unity. There’s a reason why O3 could not be tested on Flash – the special features wouldn’t work or could possibly mess up the game. Due to this, it may be harder to have a Flash player play the Bard. After all, the Bard is arguably the most “complex” character in the game so far – his ability increases weapon range and the Lute even has a special animation.

#7

On my 2015 MacBook Air, it does take ~5-10 min to load exalt every time

#8

What the fuck? lol

I decided to try something.

Experiment regarding Exalt Launch Times

Devices used:
ASUS Vivobook X202E
i3-3217u @1796MHz
4GB DDR3-1333
120GB PNY CS900 SSD
During the test, CPU temperatures were kept below 85 degrees Celsius to prevent thermal throttling.

Methodology: A stopwatch was used to record how long it took between the time in which I clicked on the icon (Exalt Launcher or Adobe Flash Player 18) and the time in which I arrived in the nexus.

Exalt
Run 1: 1 min 36 seconds
Run 2: 1 min 47 seconds (crashed 4 times lmfao)
Run 3: 1 min 34 seconds (crashed 2x)
Run 4: 1 min 31 seconds (crashed once)
Run 5: 1 min 31 seconds (crashed once)

AFP 18:
Run 1: 18.75 seconds
Run 2: 19.31 seconds
Run 3: 17.80 seconds
Run 4: 22.40 seconds
Run 5: 19.31 seconds

Tl;Dr: that’s odd

#9

deca is probably lazy, doesn’t want to work on something more than they need to

#10

This was only the case if you moved the launcher outside of the folder it came in. The uninstaller was pretty silly, just “delete everything in the folder that the Exalt launcher is in”.

Adding Bard to Flash, from what I’ve heard, requires a fair bit of backend work that in the long term isn’t worth it, especially with O3 on the horizon.
Case in point: the character select screen.
Remember how Bard was only partially on-screen, or replaced another class entirely? That’s not really somefin you want.

Anyone else getting tired of Deca
#11

They even had a working bard on flash during the first testing session

On the other hand you don’t seem to be missing out on too much anyways

#12

I really don’t understand these Exalt complaint threads about beta content not being added to Flash. They’re all over realmeye and reddit and I’m kind of growing tired of these complaints.

Please get this through your brains.

RotMG Exalt is a 2020 game. I’m sorry that you can’t play the game on your mom’s 2012 Mac Book Air, but it’s not supposed to be played on old hardware. Upgrade your PC because RotMG is becoming an actual game now and if you want to play it, you need to use modern hardware.

If that doesn’t fix the issue, then take a look at your internet speeds to see if you need to upgrade your internet service to accommodate for online gaming. Else, if your internet speed is borderline “good” then a quick fix might just be playing on a wired connection. Gaming on wifi is all around just a terrible idea and ethernet cords are pretty cheap and easy to hook up.

Finally, if that doesn’t fix it, then you can complain about Exalt because at that point it’s most likely due to your proximity to DECA’s servers or some other reason out of your control that only DECA can fix.

Alright…

Seeya

#13

I don’t exactly disagree, but the problem is that Exalt really isn’t a functional game yet. It’s still in beta, and there are various problems even for those who’s devices are more than capable of handling the game. And yet, the functional flash game client is being metaphorically fucked by Deca preemptively, before the new one actually works.

#14

How so? Again, Bard and Oryx 3 are beta content. Bard is technically still in testing, for lack of a better word. It’s actually extremely important to test content such as a new class being implemented as well as a new endgame dungeon. Especially with the newer things that these features are adding. Like, hell, look at the parrot UT. If that doesn’t look like beta content, then tell me what is. It was a performance test for Exalt, more or less, which allowed them to gather more information on what the client can handle.

Additionally, Oryx 3 has some wild effects in some of his phases as well as in some of the minibosses. This really is a true beta test still and I don’t think adding these things on Flash would help benefit the development of Unity in any way.

Flash isn’t really missing out on a whole lot when the rest of the game’s content is still currently accessible. It’s not like DECA is taking away things from players on Flash that they already had pre-Bard. Bard is beta content that is going to help improve the official release of Exalt. They want players to only be playing on the class on Exalt so that bugs can be found and those bugs can be fixed.

It makes sense that DECA is being future-oriented and I’m thankful that they are because I know some players would be perfectly fine with staying on Flash, but in order for the game to grow, they need to be pressuring people to try the beta content. If they just continue to release everything on both Flash and Unity, the people who have bugs and issues won’t ever have a reason to play on Unity and, in turn, those bugs will never be found and resolved.

#15

This is an issue with your Laptop most definetly. I am not going to deny that Exalt isn’t perfectly optimized and surely needs some more of it. But I have never heard of someone being stuck for 15-20 minutes in the loading screen of Exalt just to get the game starting.

The game really takes good use of a good Graphics Card, so having one really doesn’t hurt but rather improves your exalt experience immensely.

You can play Windowed and adjust the resolution to make it as close as possible to the small flash projector window of flash rotmg. Fullscreen in my eyes is really good though, it extremely helps you with dodging. So is playing with Center on player OFF now which now gives you more than 3 tiles behind you instead of just 3.

This is probably one of the worst things right now. I don’t even understand the reasoning of making actual content Beta exclusive. I do understand that the Beta doesn’t work fine and by definition a beta is there to help the developers, but making stuff beta exclusive with people having alot of bugs is just BS.

#16

come on man, spending 100s of euros on new pc components for a single game that uses 8-bit style graphics is really unreasonable

#17

Flash era is over, We need to move on.

#18

the time is now old man! (its a meme/reference)

#19

Nonsense. Unity is a far more efficient and modern platform than Flash, and as such should have much better performance, for the same sort of game. In particular a simple mostly 2D game like ROTMG should perform very well even on a 2012 laptop. There are lots of games you need a modern PC for but ROTMG is not one of them.

By in large it does perform better. The slowdowns that you see in Flash on an older PC are mostly gone, so it no longer drops the frame rate into single figures at Oryx’s castle, for example. or suddenly drops a few frames when hexed or when it loads art for other reasons.

It does still occasionally slow though, for no obvious reason. Loading is a worse problem with long load times and stalls loading, which may just be failing and retrying as lost connections seem a particular problem. Then there’s all the other bugs and problems which still need to be fixed. Once fixed it should be an easy and pleasant transition but we are not there yet.

#20

I have been having nonstop disconnect issues, but I believe it has to do with my absurdly terrible wifi. On the other hand, my friend, who has a gaming laptop, something DESIGNED for games, gets even more disconnects on unity. His wifi is fine, but he literally can not run a single dungeon without disconnecting at some point. I believe he has completed a total of 3 dungeons without disconnecting since bard was released.

#21

this actually seems like something worth complaining about for the people who could play on “mom’s 2012 mac book air” because that would mean they’re having something they’re used to having being actively taken away from them. having the game straight-up becoming more restrictive isn’t necessarily a good thing, and it certainly doesn’t help that one of the things unity most prominently boasted for well over a year was better performance.

#22

This hits the nail on the head.

“Exalt will be a lot better in terms of performance!.. at the cost of you needing to upgrade your hardware”
Like, exalt was so hyped up because of better optimization and such, but you need to upgrade now? People who have potatoes shouldn’t be told “just upgrade lol”. Not everyone owns a high-end PC. I’m fortunate enough to own a really really high end PC, but that doesn’t matter because not everyone owns one.

#23

The only situation where you would likely be unable to run Exalt at all but were able to run the Flash client and would need to actually upgrade to better hardware would be if your computer was like from the age of the dinosaurs. I’m going to stick with that exaggeration because that’s just only a little bit over the level of exaggeration going on in this thread.

You’ll probably want to upgrade your PC at that point just because you’ll likely find that useful in many other aspects than just video games, given how computer-oriented this current day and age is, and it will honestly be really cheap to get an upgrade from that. I’d estimate you wouldn’t need to go over $500 USD, much less than that most likely, and it’s an investment for the future especially given honestly at that age, parts like your HDD will start failing.

Now that that’s over with, I can say that Exalt’s performance could be improved such that it just runs better/performance bugs are fixed and there would be less and less cases where Flash performs better than Exalt. Flash client shouldn’t be performing better than Exalt other than potentially on absolute old toaster PCs (for that, read above), so it’s really up to whether or not Deca actually cares to stick to their promises.

#24

With used stuff you can even get around way cheaper atleast if you know what your doing.