Losing soulbound when an enemy heals?

#28

These are all just theories on what the sb needed to get loot is…

#29

Yeah, for general realm players, this shouldn’t matter too much, but theorycrafting is fun.

#30

Just curious, what other games do you play?

#31

healing doesnt negate sb, this can easily be observed in a manor. Do a decent amount of damage to ruthy, have him heal off damaging you to full and have a friend finish the fight.
(just because you didnt get anything doesn’t mean you did not qualify)

#32

No. A player’s soulbound record only goes in one direction, so to speak–or it can be zeroed out, like upon leaving the zone, dying, etc.

That’s not how the soulbound record works with the Pentaract. Here’s an brief explainer of the Pentaract’s mechanics. Let me know if you have any questions about it, because I did gloss over things a bit for brevity’s sake.

Because that’s how the loot tables are coded.

EDIT: Here’s an example line from a monster’s loot table:

<SoulboundLoot prob="0.01" threshold=".18">Potion of Attack</SoulboundLoot>

In English, this would read: if you damage this monster for 18% of its total health, you have a 1% chance at receiving a ATT pot.

EDIT 2: Clarified my initial “no” a little.

#33

<#off-topic>, I play Monster Hunter and the like. I watch a lot more though, especially something like 80% of Chuggaaconroy’s videos… Lately visual novels like Prof. layton’s, Phoenix Wright’s, just started 999 too!

#34

Do you have a source? I’m really curious how you know about all of these inner workings… I’d love to know too.
Also, in that Pentaract Link you provided, you said that heal doesn’t affect SB. May I know how you found that out as well?

#35

Other than my memory and what I have stored in my RotMG archives, no. So nothing that anyone would find satisfactory.

What I rely on are various sources that have been lost to the ravages of time (old forum posts from the original forums for example; a lot is preserved on the Internet Archive, but best of luck to you if you decide to try and navigate it), various sources that there aren’t records of (e.g., conversations with the old devs and others that worked on and wrote code for the game a long time ago (2011-ish)), what bits of the code itself that have found their way to me, and old decompilations of the flash client that I have.

Unfortunately, sometimes there’s no other choice but to use deductive reasoning based on my own knowledge, memory, and experience. To that end, it’s important to keep in mind that the original devs preferred straightforward mechanics and systems.

EDIT: minor rephrasing, small clarifying additions, and grammar corrections.
EDIT 2: big changes to the overall framing of my response

#36

Dammit, another information lost to time. Thanks for the response, though! I believe you, but it’s just hard to quote you in case I need to recite sources as well :sweat_smile:

#37

That line of code only gives a percentage threshold, but it says nothing about percentage of what it is referring to. So the question of wether soulbound thresholds are based on total health of the monster or total damage received by the monster remains.

I’m not saying it’s one or the other, all I’m saying is that, from what I’ve seen from the code (like the line you presented), I can’t know.

And that makes sense, no need to make things complicated. But still, I’m not satisfied with the answer, the facts that Mrunibro asserted that soulbound damage is based on total damage dealt to the enemy and that a recent video testing “showed” otherwise only makes thing more confusing.
#38

As an engineer and scientist, I don’t like not having or not providing sources when I say things like this. I just kinda of rely on my own reputation, which likely isn’t worth anything these days since I assume most players don’t know and rightly shouldn’t care who I am.

I don’t expect anyone to be. I can’t, and for some details, won’t, provide sources when it comes to this, which already makes me feel uncomfortable, but I feel that I’m obligated to at least share what I can (within reason) since I’ll soon be coming up my sixth year of involvement in this community and, as such, have built up quite a historical knowledge base of the game.

#39

Since the Pentaract itself never dies, though the towers respawn, your SB record would be maintained until the encounter dies.

Thanks for the detailed response about Pentaract and the towers. I was aware of some of that, but to my knowledge doing damage on one tower and then letting that tower respawn will never give you loot from that tower (at least, it never happened to me). I also know that you can’t get loot from pentaract tower corpse if you didn’t shoot the corresponding pentaract tower, so there is no point to check spots which you didn’t shoot at all. Do you have any video evidence of getting loot from the pentaract tower which respawned, without damaging the respawned one?

#40

No. GHZD made a video on it, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stkPMK3kUN0

#41

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@Lovens I quite agree with you, hence my hatred for those will kill the towers when I’m still weakening them lol.

I would love to test this out, having one person kill all the towers (without defeating the pentaract) and sit on the bleachers while a friend finishes it off.

If I ever find you on in the middle of the night for US servers, let’s spawn some events:3

@Fweftjfhjs No you, I posted that video many replies before you did. And it doesn’t answer the nuances of our questions, read everything before you decide to do a two word interjection.

#42

Look above

#43

It is what it is. The game left me behind, and I was too stubborn to try and keep up. But that’s enough about that; this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

#44

it doesn’t affect!

How do I know? Well I tested it, I was gonna upload the video, but never got around to it, I used lord ruth

fuck I should’ve uploaded it before GZHD, I had it recorded a few months ago

#45

Please do, see the discussion on the topic of how GHZD’s video might be inconclusive.

#46

ok, ill try to get it up in the next few days

#47

What’s your youtubes? I want to see this! Edit: Found it on your profile. Sorry for the unneeded message.