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#579

my man is a hardworking member of the proletariat, dont you dare say otherwise

#580

otherwise

#581

well as seen with the sino soviet slipt communism is more diverse then it is generally painted to be. The communism in cuba does not reflect that of china or the soviet union.

Much like demorcacy or countries that say they have democracy it can vary widly, such as the united states to russia

It is up to the country to decided what type of government they have and what it is called not foreign powers, China calls themselves communist so they are communist.

What someone may consider a soccer fan is not what others would consider a soccer fan but if they say they like soccer, well just because you say otherwise does not mean they are not

Of course its a fairly tale

reality and communism have never really gone together

#582

Did you know that north korea defines itself as a democracy?

#583

north korea isn’t true democracy.

lol

#584

grafik

#585

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but seriously, don’t tell me you actually believe in the Scotsman fallacy.

or am I the one who has been jebaited :flushed:

#586

He said that if some state sees itself as communist or something then it also is communist or something, even if outside viewers disagree and i replied with a counterexample.

I dont see how that relates to the no true scotsman fallacy :confused:

#587

If a regime says they’re a democracy but only authorizes one single political party to present a candidate for the elections, it’s not a scotsman fallacy to call them liars.

#588

I meant my previous statement

because obviously, North Korea doesn’t practice “true” democracy because it’s not a democracy at all, like @RMGnoob pointed out. Which is why I Sarcastically said that fallacious statement, seeing as its used as a diversion tactic to not have one’s argument challenged.

(since im big brain and [mentally deficient] I’ll give an example to what I mean. So by agreeing with “North Korea isn’t a true democracy”, you’re agreeing that North Korea is in some way democratic, just not the correct version, which imo is incorrect. it’s like agreeing with someone that Canada isn’t truly communist, when they never were in the first place. That and the statement itself usually means that whatever is being dismissed as not “true” whatever, is in fact a version of that whatever, just not the version they agree with or doesn’t suit their narrative).

And now you see why my joke was funny, so please laugh now or [ I will report your account to Chinese authorities and lower your social credit score, comrade].

(I had a brain aneurism

#589

they don’t

They are quite proud of supreme god leader and make it clear no elections will ever be held to change that fact

#590

North Korea is formally known as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK)

#591

“United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”

Is actually not a kingdom and they dont claim to be an actual kingdom like Saudi Arabia where the monarchs actually hold power despite having it in their name

such as north korea who also does not claim to be any sort of democratic system

Back the main point china is and has always been communist even if it does not fit into your personal window of communism, there exist many branches as it has existed for over 100 years now it evolves into many forms

https://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_communism.html

You cant really call them liars since they never lied in the first place they have never defined themselves as a democracy despite having it in their name refer to great Britain

#592

thanks for the link, pretty interesting read so far.

though I wouldn’t say it was always communist, just that most of it’s modern history has been communist.

#593

Also the ruling party is the communist party of China

#594

I think the primary argument is that it doesnt matter what they call themselves, what they do defines what they are

#595

Well they define themselves as communist and that’s pretty much their core value

#596

sure, I could have the core values of a murderer and call myself as such, but if I don’t murder people, am I a murderer?

Likewise, does China have all the tenets of communism?

#597

So china is communist because the call themselves communist, but north korea isn’t democratic despite of them calling themselves democratic?

#598

Alright well I hope I dont get critiized for my “wall of text” but this is going to take some explaining

Pointless comparison since china does in fact have the tenets of communism

Suppression of religion
collectivized farms
The goverment owns all the means of production
Is a single party state

Karl marx believed that communism and religion can not survive together

Karl marx also talks about Judaism, and notably makes many anti semetic remarks

he has a book called " On the Jewish Question"

He said all other religions would need to forfeit their beliefs but the Judaism would have to forfeit their beliefs and their economic stranglehold

He believed to have freedom most religions would have to forfeit their belie
This was because he viewed the Judaism as controlling vast swaths of the economy in all societies which of course is not true.

And this then makes it very easy to blame the (Judaism,I cant say the J E W word on the forums which is shocking) when the economy goes down the toilet much like hitler and joseph stalin did.

Karl Marx though it was entirely fine to strip away the basic freedoms of people and force upon them his own iedology which he believed would free them

So lets see Karl marx the founder of communism encouraged oppresion and smashing the rights of people

Ok well China has that one down

lets look at what else Karl marx believes.

"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can
be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes
tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They
have a world to win. " Karl Marx


(see for yourself)

Yes from this quote it is clear that he was quite fine with using violence of any guide to achieve his goal of revolution

He believed that a revolution did end with the overthrow of the government that it was in constant motion so to continue that revolution you would need more violence and more suppression of people to free them from the chains that bourgeois like @RMGnoob has set forth upon them and blinded them to the truth of a proletariat paradise

O and china definitely has those tenets

See the thing is communism is always leads to a dictatorship because that is what was intended by its creator and its why communism ALWAYS leads to single party dictatorial rule. It is by design to be that way.

china is communist and they call themselves communist

and north isent democracy and they dont call themselves democratic they call themselves communist

also lets just clear this up now regarding the word democratic in koreas full name. It does mean what you and others are trying to force it to mean.

North korea is a communist state and would never associate itself with western ideology and western terminology

조선민주주의인민공화국

This is The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

This part of the sentence is where the “democratic” part is

조선민주 = Korean Democracy

Korean democracy Again this has nothing at all to do with what Americans and other western countries refer to as democracy as for one its being prefaced with the word Korean and two its being translated into English

But either no, Korea does not refer to themselves as “democratic” aka electing a president and freedom and all that

It is starting to seem that way at least, with communism the Scotsman fallacy is an extremely popular idea

“no thats not real communism!” It seems nothing is real communism :thinking: how is that possible?